Suarez/Evra racism case.

[Red All Over]

FTR - Suarez is on record as starting English lessons since joining the club. The club have a video or two about it and Suarez has documented it separately. Obviously, he is at expert level now and can communicate flawlessly with others. I stand corrected that nothing can get lost in translation ever when discussing a Suarez who has studied English for less than a year and who's back is against the wall. He obviously is a highly scholared linguistic genius and we have all been scammed.

BTW John Barnes is right everyone is rather missing the point.

[Delaware Red]

FTR - Suarez is on record as starting English lessons since joining the club. The club have a video or two about it and Suarez has documented it separately. Obviously, he is at expert level now and can communicate flawlessly with others. I stand corrected that nothing can get lost in translation ever when discussing a Suarez who has studied English for less than a year and who's back is against the wall. He obviously is a highly scholared linguistic genius and we have all been scammed.

BTW John Barnes is right everyone is rather missing the point.

He's wasn't being told the theory of relativity. He was told "shake his hand".

He said yes, he didn't do it. We looked a set of c*nts. (Including us fans)

End of.

[Samarkand]

DR, 32 words. And it says about all we need to know.

[Big Dave]

DR, 32 words. And it says about all we need to know.

What about in Haiku form?

He didn't shake hand
Liverpool have egg on face
Silly, foolish boy

[Nomer the Red]

What about in Haiku form?

He didn't shake hand
Liverpool have egg on face
Silly, foolish boy

Big Dave I'm going to steal that.

[Red All Over]

He's wasn't being told the theory of relativity. He was told "shake his hand".

He said yes, he didn't do it. We looked a set of c*nts. (Including us fans)

End of.

If you look you will see I don't disagree with this, I just have a more lenient interpretation of it. Just don't see him as the pantomime villian.

Thought it was odd to agree the handshake and I still wonder what he was instructed to do by Dowd. He obviously came out into the tunnel with him at the beginning of the match and given the focus on the handshake in the media I bet he was told to move on if Evra didn't wish to shake his hand - of course we will never know that.

Still think it was silly (stupid, idiotic...) for him and the club to ever promise to shake Evra's hand in the first place as it gave Evra and his club more power in this whole mess. The club should have seen this coming. Very naive PR.

[Samarkand]

No it wasn't, no it didn't and just a general all around no.





The club should have seen what coming? That Suarez was going to lie to them? And what's this nonsense of 'giving Evra and United more power'? Suarez was then and is now an employee of Liverpool Football Club.

LFC complied with the Premier League's handshake edicts as did United. Neither side had the option not to do so without permission from the PL which was not forthcoming for a whole host of reasons, not least of which was the belief that the handshake would be the beginning in drawing a line under things and the beginning of the end of this sordid affair. Suarez f*cked that one up all by his own self and I don't need to see 16 seconds of Zapruder super slow motion to tell me that, no, it really was Evra who withdrew his hand. Complete unadulterated bollocks that one; Suarez glided his hand onwards, refusing to shake Evra's. As DR says, end of.

Where the PR blunder comes in is Liverpool's handling of the affair from beginning, middle to end. Dalglish makes himself look like a tit defending Suarez on Saturday doing his Wenger-esque, 'I didn't see it'. Only to correct himself the next day. So no one told him between the time of the non-handshake and the interview that Suarez had f*cked things up? Dalglish is not now and never was the man to handle this except with the blanket, 'I support Suarez'. Unless Suarez f*cks up the handshake. Which he did. In which case Dalglish replies as Ferguson did when asked about Evra's celebrating - 'he shouldn't have done that'.

But this ridiculous notion that this whole affair was some sort of conspiracy concocted by United and the FA in a dastardly Machiavellian scheme to disrupt Liverpool is not even worthy of Glenn Beck at his best or worst.

All United did was play the ball, very ably served to them over and over again by a piss-poor Liverpool, play that ball very well. The 'power' that Evra and United supposedly had was given to them by Liverpool.

[Els]

What about in Haiku form?

He didn't shake hand
Liverpool have egg on face
Silly, foolish boy

How bout txt tlk?

Lz sd hed shke hnds but dssd evs instd.

Els

[Delaware Red]

Not that any action by another team or player should make a difference to how we conduct ourselves, but Evra acting like the first rate c*nt that he is at the end, and Siralex spouting his hipocritical b*llocks about "should never play for the club again" actually softened some of the flak we could have taken.

Instead of (IMO) completely justified condemnation of his actions (and I'm not going into the "did he say / did he not" actual events just the handshake) there have been references by many as to "without trying to dismiss racism as an issue, really, how serious is this?" When compared to events such as Cantona kung-fu / Evra mutiny / Giggs & many others philandering, Rio drug abuse etc etc.

If Evra had walked off the pitch, leaving Kenny to get it all wrong, we would just have been completely out on a limb.

[Delaware Red]

And by the way. I am bored of it now. I'm not about to hang the guy out to dry for making a mistake. The original incident can be debated forever and he has the right to stand by his opinion.

However, he's made a mistake last weekend, but god knows I've made enough and most people seem to forgive me. I can't play football like that lad though.

So he's apologised and for me that'll do. On with the football.

I think I know what's coming next from Luis..............and I just can't get enough.