August 23rd, 2004, 05:41 AM
Clememce, Grobelaar and Kirkland
I appreciate the Pig's acknowledgment of my long standing critique of Dudek.
If Liverpool are to grow, Kirkland needs games now to establish himself. Benitez must act while the sun is high and the bounce is true. There is no more important selection decision to be made. The team can win with a Riise or Carragher, just, but Dudek's failings cannot be tolerated.
I pay more attention to the goalkeeping position than any other on the team. I loved to play in goal, and grew up idolizing Ray Clemence.
Clem had the most powerful impact on me as a lad. He showed me the power of one person's contribution to change.
I remember the first ever Liverpool radio commentary I ever listened to was in 1973. It was the UEFA Cup final, first leg, and though very young I was somehow critically aware of the away goals rule. We were winning 3-0, but then the Germmans got a penalty. Up stepped a Germman to score the inevitable goal. I realized then that nothing in life is inevitable. Ray Clemence made sure of that. We lost the second leg 2-0. Clemence's contribution to Shankly's first European trophy was critical.
If I needed any reminding of this, it came in 1976 against Dynamo Dresden in the quarter finals of UEFA cup. We were away, and not expected to win. Strange how we feared the East in those days. It was Peter Jones, Brian Butler or one of those great voices from the past commentating. This was Pele-Banks, but so much more important. The penalty was as good a penalty as the commentator had seen, and the save miraculous. Clemence had tipped the Germman's long powerful and well placed shot around around the post. It is still remarked as Clemence's best ever save.
Clem was my idol, my first hero, but I will stick my neck out and suggest that Brucie's contributions to Liverpool and to the world of goalkeeping were more profound.
I took umbrrage from criticism of Brucie earlier. For me, Brucie brought about an unremarked revolution in goalkeeping. He made the 20 yard box his own, placing himself in the game when all of his comtemporaries were preoccupied with reacting.
Brucie made preventative goalkeeping a new science. And his reactions, distribution and back line management was as good as any.
Yes, many are prone to recite his howlers. But mistakes by goalkeepers are magnified. His worst, though I'm sure others will remember more, were Sofia away and Man City at home. He made mistakes, but contributions were 100% more valuable.
Brucie was always trying the highest degree of difficulty with his goalkeeping. I would argue that some of his mistakes orginated from his desire to take goalkeeping to a higher level.
How many millions of goals have been scored to which no blame is attached to a keeper? Yet look closer, and think what is a keeper could have done to have prevented the initial shot. Here is where Brucie was exceled. By going for the ungoable, Brucie prevented so much. Yet, this is hardly memorable or the stuff of highlight tapes because Brucie made things look easy. In going for crosses that no other keeper would dream of going for, Bruice gave us the initiatve time and again. He was Clem's equal, and more.
(His gambling antics require a whole other debate, and I think its' been done, so I won't open that up right now.)
Since then, with notable respects given to messrs Lane, Oggy, Hooper and Stuanton, we've been in a real dark period. I won't remind people of nightmares of James and Westerveld, though I agree they were both good keepers in so far as the 'good' label goes, but the greatest is what we demand. Dudek is only a good keeper. And that's simply not good enough.
Kirkland has the promise to be the greatest. I believe he can be as good as Clemence and Grobelaar. His time is now.
August 23rd, 2004, 09:09 PM
1st Team Regular
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shankly is God
August 24th, 2004, 01:25 AM
No more Pig
Yes you are right, and remember the time when this God realized the Pig could fly no more.
August 24th, 2004, 04:49 AM
I think most fans have tired of Dudek's antics and would agree that Kirky needs a chance but how can he if he is always injured? I won't go into this further as I think it's been covered in other posts that he needs to put on muscle, etc.
As for Bruce, the man was a legend in my books albeit a tainted one due to the allegations that followed his career. Who can forget his wobbly legs in the European Final - that's an iconic soccer moment for any fan of the beautiful game, and not just for Liverpool fans
August 24th, 2004, 10:06 AM
Kirky needs to play, thats the way to keep him fit.
Benitez put him on the bench against Porto, Roma, and Spurs (not to mention Sven).
Benitez has done some very very good things, but this was a significant error of judgement on his part.
August 24th, 2004, 12:32 PM
Must agree, though for what it's worth, I think CK1 would probably have gotten the start against Citeh on Saturday if he hadn't (again) injured himself. I want to see him get another good run in but it's frightening how easily he seems to get hurt.
Originally Posted by Flying Pig
Oh, and Shishkebab's response above: classic!!!! (and I mean that with no disrespect whatsoever to A.S.'s post - it just made my day!)
Last edited by ConnieLFC; August 24th, 2004 at 12:34 PM.
August 24th, 2004, 09:18 PM
1st Team Regular
Lads, anybody man, could you spare a handkerchief, A.Stubbins brought tears to my eyes oh man oh man oh man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what am gonna dooooooooo duuuuuuude?
Originally Posted by Albert Stubbins
Shankly is God