In a discussion on another thread, I put a question to Pig (which he predictably evaded ) which I think might be worth throwing open to the whole forum.
It is this..... Consider Liverpool's record and achievements over the last five seasons, from the start of the 2000-2001 season, to the end of last season, the 2004-05.
If you could swop Liverpool's record for any of the other Premiership clubs, (an exact swop, precisely their results in the competitions they entered over the entire five seasons) then would you? And if so, which club would it be, and why?
My point is that I personally would NOT swop our record and achievements for anybody's. And I also believe that the majority of the fans of Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea would leap at the opportunity to swop their record for ours!
In other words, I believe Liverpool FC are comfortably the most successful English club of the last five seasons.
Consider what we have won during that period.... The European Champion's League (2005).... The UEFA Cup (2001)..... The European Super Cup twice (2001 and 2005)..... The FA Cup (2001)..... The League Cup twice (2001 and 2003).... The FA Charity/Community shield (2001).
That is eight major trophies in five seasons, which is pretty amazing by any standards. (Think of that in the context of Newcastle United, who haven't won a single trophy since the dark ages! )
Yes, I agree the glaring ommission in that line up of trophies is the Premiership, and Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea have all won the Premiership in that period.
But the glorious achievement of the Champion's League for me more than makes up for that lack, and moreover I believe most of the opposition fans would agree.
Take the Arsenal fans. The one overwhelming frustration for them is the lack of a European Cup. They believe themselves to hold the status of being one of the top clubs in Europe, but deep down they know they will never really be accepted as such until they win the European Cup. For them, it represents the unobtainable Holy Grail.
I believe most Arse fans would happily swop their record for ours, to have the 2005 European cup in their trophy cabinet.
Likewise, the manc fans hate and loathe the fact that we hold five European Cups to their two. To deny us Istanbul, to have their third European cup and be only one behind us in the lists, they would seize the chance to exchange their record for ours.
And as for Chelsea, their one Premiership success is pretty small beer, compared with our European Cup and seven other trophies in the last five seasons. Their fans would undoubtedly also happily swop records.
So there you have it, in my opinion. If the fans of the mancs, arse and chelski would all prefer our record over the last five seasons to their own, are we REALLY DOING QUITE SO BADLY AS TO JUSTIFY ALL THE GLOOM WE READ ON THE FORUM?
So over to you, Forum? Would you swop? For who's record and why? And who agrees with me, that Liverpool's record 2000-2005 is the best?